Cloud Based Security

[Shane]

I had asked about this in another thread but decided to open it as a new thread for discussion. In the previous thread the customer stated that they were using Trend Micro Titanium Security. This is a Cloud Based security. The customer stated they were FAPPED and could not understand why.

The thing I am asking everyone to discuss is the effect of ANY cloud based server whether for security, music or anything. I know that ANY traffic between a pc/mac and the cloud is using bandwith both up and down. I already know the answer myself. My question to throw out there is what is the complete impact on using these cloud based services on a Wildblue system.

This should be a serious discussion that can help some who use those type of services watch and control their bandwith usage. Please no smart remarks as some may be able to use this knowledge to help their usage!

[Doug Huffman]

Cloudy security is not different from any other file sharing program. The off site server now calls itself "cloud based" rather than "peer". Believe nothing that you read or hear without verifying it yourself unless it fits your preexisting worldview.

I was amused to find "the cloud" as metaphor for the suggestion of the internet on a lecture-board as a cloud icon-image. So, now, replacing the neologism "cloud" with "internet", the noun phrase becomes "internet based computing" or "internet based security" and its oxymoronic nature becomes even clearer.
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikiped...loud_computing

The relative security of cloud computing services is a contentious issue that may be delaying its adoption.

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikiped...uting_security

Cloud security is not to be confused with security software offerings that are "cloud-based" (a.k.a. security-as-a-service). Many commercial software vendors have offerings such as cloud-based anti-virus or vulnerability management.

About Trend Micro itself, https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikiped...atent_Lawsuits

The free software community has responded in part by calling for a boycott of Trend Micro. The boycott is backed by the Free Software Foundation. http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/b...rendMicro.html

Boycott Trend Micro
by josh Contributions — last modified May 17, 2010 16:45

Join us and the ScriptumLibre.org Foundation in boycotting all products and services sold by Trend Micro.

The proprietary software company Trend Micro has filed a patent infringement lawsuit against Barracuda Networks. They claim that Barracuda is violating their patent by distributing the free software antivirus program ClamAV.

We should avoid using any proprietary software, but companies that use software patents for aggression are the lowest of the low.

Lawsuits like this are a threat to the entire IT community, and to free software programmers in particular. There is little that can be done to stop patent trolls from exploiting the patent and legal system for financial gain, until we put a stop to the patenting of software altogether. But there is an immediate opportunity to punish and deter trolls like Trend Micro.

Let all of Trend Micro's potential customers know that by doing business with Trend Micro, they are supporting this attack on all creators of software works, including the entire free software community, and that the strongest message they can send to Trend Micro is to publicly boycott all of their products and services.

[Shane]

Thanks Doug for your thoughts. Any others?

How about exactly the impact of transfering your entire hard drive data to the "cloud" for PC back up, (ala Carbonite or IDrive).


Think about how much data is on your harddrive and then compare that to what your 30 day usage is! I can tell you that on my office PC I have 138GB of used space on my harddrive. Most might not have that much but some may come close or maybe have even more than that with all of the pictures, movies and music. With the 30 day rolling on the Pro Pack being an aproximate 17 GB (17,000Mb/1000) or 16.6GB (17,000/1024)........ You can see where I am going here.

Every bit of data that goes up or down using your WIldblue counts!

[Doug Huffman]

I have a full terabyte drive of music, DRM Digital Restrictions Management free. I will not trust that to an internet scammer like "carbonite"! (Not a scammer? Then why does the blowhard RINO SLimebaugh have to tout it?)

Believe nothing that you read or hear without verifying it yourself unless it fits your preexisting worldview.

Think on these progressive web services as 'carpetbaggers'. They're not different.

[Shane]

Thank you again Doug.

I agree with you that they are scammers. We used to use the terms cloud and blue sky when you bought something that you did not know everything about but hoped you were being told the truth and hoped for the best to come out of it, mostly when it came to buying a business. Blue sky profit or head in the clouds for example.

I started this thread to get all people thinking about what may be going back and forth in the form of data over their Wildblue system. So let us all think about what we are doing or more to the point our PC's or Macs are doing with upload and download because of programs that we installed that may be passing a Gigabytes of data back and forth to the "cloud" without us reralizing that is what is eating up our bandwith.

[Doug Huffman]

Thanks Doug for your thoughts.

These are not my "thoughts" or mere opinions as I have been careful to document primary (FSF) and secondary (Wikipedia) sources. The Wikipedia articles are replete with citations to on-line sources.

[Doug Huffman]

The root issue is that WB customers must be aware of and in control of their computers and programs. If there are scammers involved with WB, they are the fly-by-night third party unlicensed contractors.

[Shane]

The root issue is that WB customers must be aware of and in control of their computers and programs. If there are scammers involved with WB, they are the fly-by-night third party unlicensed contractors.

Please expand on that thought in another thread Mr Huffman as we are not discussing fly-by night third party unlicensed contractors here. We are discussing peoples thoughts upon "cloud based services" and this is not the place to hijack a thread for that.


Let us continue with discussing "cloud based services" and the impact upon your Wildblue FAP. If we can, let us have others besides Mr Huffman throw in their 2 cents worth.

[Doug Huffman]

Please expand on that thought in another thread Mr Huffman as we are not discussing fly-by night third party unlicensed contractors here. We are discussing peoples thoughts upon "cloud based services" and this is not the place to hijack a thread for that.

Oh, unlocked it again? The only we is you and I at this point. I do imagine that you would be sensitive to the issue of unlicensed contractors.

[Shane]

Oh, unlocked it again? The only we is you and I at this point. I do imagine that you would be sensitive to the issue of unlicensed contractors.

Actually Doug I am not sensitive to the unlicensed contractor part at all and actually am a large contributor to Washington state Labor and Industries for finding unlicensed installers. Since I do have a Washington state business license that covers my sales of product as well as my time as a trainer and I still have an 09 administator license for low voltage installs along with carrying all of the proper insurances as required for being contracted to do sales for Wildblue and Dishnetwork I see no problem here. All of my sales go into the fulfillment network to be installed.

I let my contractors license go because I no longer install nor have installers after being disabled after a massive heart attack last year. I sell Wildblue and Dishnetwork as an authorized dealer for both, work part time at our family appliance business that is owned by my father, and am contracted directly as a trainer to Wildblue. So if you wish to continue to try to attack and discredit me go ahead Doug.


Also so everyone is aware All of Wildblue's fulfillment installations are done by DirecTV Home Services and other DirecTV MSP's throughout the country. The only installs not installed by the Fulfillment installation group are those sold by self installing dealers. All sales only dealers such as myself have their installs completed by the fulfillment group.